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Weaving Across Cultures, Part One:
Alaskan Native Chilkat & Ravenstail weavers find
weaving connection with Navajo weavers
by Clarissa Hudson clarissahudson.com
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Navajo men observe the gathering from
the fringes.
Photo: Julia Sai |
I called Mark Winter to see if he was having
any Navajo exhibits or events in September. He said
that we Chilkat/ Ravenstail weavers were welcome to come to
the Navajo weavers 8th annual “Spinning and Carding
Day” held on September 17th. He invited us to
join them for a lunch and if we wanted to demonstrate our
weaving and spinning styles, it was welcomed too. He
was excited about having a cross-cultural exchange between
the Navajo weavers and the Chilkat weavers. He even
suggested that after the event, instead of driving home for
3 hours, we spend the night at the Toadlena Trading Post out
under the stars. We took him up on his offer!
The following are from my two weaving apprentices regarding
their experiences and thoughts at this weavers’ gathering.
Apprentice Julia Sai wrote:

Julia Sai learns to spin, Navajo-style.
Photo: Clarissa Hudson |
My first impressions when we drove up to the Navajo land
then we saw this red earth and nothing else around us……I
could only hear the sound of winds….I felt so weird
because I have never been in such a place like this,
but that’s how it’s supposed to be everywhere
in the world: no cars, no exhausts, no TVs……and
I really like that….I felt so free.
The things that moved me were when I saw those old Navajo
women sitting and talking their own language…..and
they can still spin the wool faster than me! When they
told me that they don’t have any pattern for weaving
design, that it’s all in their head, I couldn’t
believe that!
I would want to meet these women again, yes I do. They
were so cute and very nice to me. This Navajo lady gave
me a bag full of wool and I felt so happy. I forgot
her name, but I gave her my (business) card. I hope
she still remembers that. By the way, I like the way
they dress; it is so cute!
The weavers they were so nice people, I think. Some
lady couldn’t speak English but she was still trying
to communicate with me and I thought it was nice. They
were very interested in our weavings and they think our weavings
are more complicated than Navajos'.
Chloe French wrote this memory of the gathering:
Meeting the weavers of Two Gray Hills was a life-enhancing
event. Not many of us have this opportunity. Navajo
women are a quiet people and it usually takes a very long
of time to be accepted. (Continued...)

Clara Sherman, Navajo weaver, with
Chloe French, Chilkat weaver.
Photo: Clarissa Hudson |
Not even the women who weave at the trading posts, so tourists
may see them work, often speak to the visitors. We,
on the other hand, walked into a gathering of Two Gray Hills
weavers at Toadlina Trading Post. They knew we were
coming and were anxious to meet us.
I was struck to tears. As we walked out on the patio
behind the trading post my hand was grabbed by one of the
weavers. I turned to her and was looking into the eyes
of my grandmother and my mother. I was looking at a woman
who was showing me what I would look in a few years. This
was a delicious connection. I felt at home.
The women had gathered for a day of spinning on their long
drop spindles. Clarissa gave a small talk about our
Chilkat weaving style and the weavers were very curious. We
had our table and traveling looms with the small pieces on
them. They had not seen weaving like ours before. They
had not seen cedar bark spun into the wool to make a warp.
They had never spun on their thighs. We showed each
other our spinning techniques, each practicing the others
and laughing at how inept we were. Many of the women
don’t speak English so there was much translation. Fortunately,
spinning is a visual activity and we could communicate with
our hands. There were smiles, laughter, and a wonderful
peace. I felt as one with these women. More importantly,
I felt a part of all weavers, past, present and future. (Continued...)

Learning to spin: Clarissa, left, and
Chloe. second from right, get a spinning lesson from
Nancy Ogg, second from left, and Donna Benally, right.
Photo: Julia Sai |
One of the women, Donna, stayed after everyone had gone home
to spend the early evening spinning with us. She figured
out how to spin cedar and wool on her drop spindle. We carded
wool and spun, Navajo style, as the sunset and the air began
to cool. We took Donna home to her family land. Her
parents live in a new hogan and she in a hundred year old
ten by twenty adobe home very near by. Her weaving is
wonderful and she let us take photos of the rug she is working
on.
It is important to note that Mark, the owner of Toadlena,
pays the women outright for their work. He does not
take their weavings on consignment, but pays them up front.
Many provide for their families with the income they make
from their weaving, so this is a generous way of doing business.
(Most artwork goes into galleries on consignment and
the artist is out the expense until the item is sold. The
gallery adds a mark-up of up to one hundred percent. The
artist doesn’t receive payment until it is time for
the gallery to pay its artists.)
Clarissa Hudson continues:
I am aware of my shyness when I go into a “foreign”
land. I am well aware of my hesitations and insecurities
because I do not know the “language of the land and
its people.” Nevertheless, I am inquisitive.
I want to see and experience new perspectives, gain new insights,
or have life-long beliefs and ways of doing things validated
or challenged by ways of another culture. I was on a
“road” not knowing where it would lead.
I knew that I was going to meet up with Navajo weavers, Mark
Winter, Pam and Kathryn. I did not know what experiences
I would have; who I would meet, and would I obtain the information
I had intended to gain, and where would this experience and
information lead me?
Although I may appear as if I am cool, calm and collected,
I was nervous as I led my apprentices into the gathering of
Navajo weavers and their families on the back patio of Toadlena
Trading Post. I relaxed a little when greeted by Mark
Winter and his assistants. They invited us to share
the meal and then later, do a presentation of our method of
weaving.
What!?.....I did not imagine this! I was not ready
to do a semi-formal introduction to our weaving---!
I imagined that when we sat down next to some of the Navajo
weavers and ate a little, in due time, we would nonchalantly
pull out our stuff and in a round-about-way show some of the
Navajo weavers what we do.
Yet, on the spot, I was asked to give an introduction with
all eyes on us, egads! The center of attention
in a foreign land, I wanted to run and hide or at least have
one of the apprentices do the job. Yet since I was the
“boss”, I was selected to introduce myself and
my apprentices and explain what kind of weaving we do.
I walked into the center of the patio. There must have
been about 50-60 people, all gathered around the various picnic
tables and chairs lining the rock walls. When I stood
up, the crowd automatically grew quiet, I didn’t even
say a word yet and we had everyone’s attention!
I looked about me at an elderly group of Navajo women sitting
in a row, a gathering of an age I had not seen in many, many
years. Suddenly, I flashed back to a time in my life
when it was normal for me to be among my own elderly Native
people, sitting around eating a meal, as we took a break from
our artwork, telling stories and joking with one another.
Now I no longer have this in my life and I realized this
in that instant, when I saw the line-up of elderly Navajo
weavers staring at me, waiting for me to speak…….a
deep grief and longing purged up from my gut and choked me
for a moment, and I almost burst into tears. (Continued...)

Clarissa at loom, showing her technique
to fascinated Navajo weavers.
Photo: Connie Wienpahl |
I quickly contained myself, gathering up the years of absence
of our own elders in a space as powerful as this center, and
I breathed in this scene, and breathed out an introduction
of our techniques and our traditional knowledge as graceful
as my weaving teacher taught.
We are weavers of ancient histories and techniques, guided
by unseen hands at a threshold in time when most of us have
reached out to a grasp that has led us in a direction we no
longer recognize. Many of the Navajo weavers were between
the ages of 50-90. Not until after the gathering, I
realized the distinction in age between our Chilkat weavers
and they. As far as I know, we have one Chilkat weaver
in her 70s, a couple of weavers who just turned 60, and the
rest of us pushing 50, with a few in their early 30s.
We no longer have a group of our elderly Chilkat weavers;
they have all passed. We lack the Chilkat weavers in
the 55+ age group because these generations had been conditioned
into giving up their cultural traditions, modifying their
lives to the Western world. Balancing the western and
Native ways of life is challenging. It is easy to “get
lost” and lose contact with self; who you are, where
you come from. It is not an easy path. (Continued...)

From left, Connie Wienpahl, Chloe French,
Julia Sai, Mariko Sai, Clarissa Hudson, inside the Two
Grey Hills Gallery at Toadlena.
Photo: Nancy Ogg |
The Navajo weavers shared their spinning techniques with
us, a technique that we lost a couple of generations ago.
We were thrilled, delighted and brought to our knees, knowing
fully well the responsibility that lay ahead. We were
honored to be guests with Mark Winter and all of the Navajo
weavers at Toadlena. Our paths intertwined, speaking
a familiar language, a weaver’s language. A language
born of the landscape, where the recognition between Navajo
weavers, Chilkat weavers and all of their supporters, is acknowledged
in the motion of a hand, with the intention of spirit guided
by our generations of the past, present and future.
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